Git Rev News: Edition 82 (December 30th, 2021)

Welcome to the 82nd edition of Git Rev News, a digest of all things Git. For our goals, the archives, the way we work, and how to contribute or to subscribe, see the Git Rev News page on

This edition covers what happened during the month of November 2021.



  • Peff is taking a break from Git

    Peff, alias Jeff King, announced on the mailing list that he is going to take a five months break from Git starting at the end of December. He is also stepping down from Git’s PLC (Project Leadership Committee), the entity that represents Git within Software Freedom Conservancy.

    Peff has been involved in the project for 15 years and has contributed a huge number of patches as well as an enormous amount of reviews, support and discussions.

    He also used to maintain, the main site of the project. It looks like Taylor Blau, who has been working at GitHub with Peff, will take over maintaining this site.

    Along with others on the mailing list, let’s thank Peff for his contributions to Git and Git Development Community!


  • misleading message printed when worktree add fails

    Baruch Burstein posted a bug report on the mailing list saying that he ran git worktree add <path> <branch>, where <branch> was an already checked-out branch, and saw a message that seemed to indicate that the command was a success, when in fact it was not.

    Eric Sunshine replied to him asking if he saw something similar as:

    % git worktree add ../foo bar
    Preparing worktree (checking out 'bar')
    fatal: 'bar' is already checked out at '.../wherever'

    Baruch replied that he actually saw the messages emitted by Git in a different order:

    fatal: 'master' is already checked out at 'C:/Users/bmbur/temp'
    Preparing worktree (checking out 'master')

    Eric then diagnosed the following:

    Okay, that’s happening because the ‘Preparing’ message is sent to stdout, whereas the ‘fatal’ error is sent to stderr, and the streams are being flushed on Windows in a different order than what we typically see on Unix platforms even though the ‘Preparing’ message is actually output first by the code.

    He then proposed to have the die() function, which is emitting the ‘fatal’ error, or the vreportf(), which is used by die() to emit the ‘fatal’ error, flush stdout before emitting an error. This would fix not only the issue Baruch saw, but also other similar issues in other parts of the code.

    Randall S. Becker replied to Eric that his proposed fix was “probably a good idea” as “there is no guarantee even in Unix regarding stream buffer flushing”.

    Eric posted an RFC patch implementing his proposed fix. The patch added a call to fflush(stdout) in vreportf() just before this function calls fflush(stderr) and before it actually writes a message on stderr.

    Junio Hamano, the Git maintainer, replied to the patch wondering if flushing stdout when it is going to a pipe talking to another process could cause issues. He noticed that the HTTP backend code uses vreportf() in this way, though he said that any code using stdio “cannot precisely control when the buffered contents are flushed anyway”, so the patch might be OK.

    Jeff King, alias Peff, then started a discussion about the possibility of arbitrary flushing causing some code to block, which might create a deadlock, as some other code might be waiting for something from the now blocking code. Eric suggested that this could be addressed by flushing stdout only if stdout is attached to a terminal, though he thought this would be “rather ugly”.

    Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason chimed in to ask about the warning() and error() functions that also call vreportf(), but Peff replied that they were probably OK.

    Meanwhile Peff also replied to Eric’s patch wondering if “status messages like this go to stderr anyway”. He remarked that

    in general our approach in Git is more “if it is the main output of the program, it goes to stdout; if it is chatter or progress for the user, it goes to stderr”.

    He also explained that it works consistently on glibc as “stdout to a terminal is line buffered by default, so the ‘Preparing’ line is flushed immediately”. But even on Linux, without a terminal, like when both stdout and stderr are redirected to the same file, for example with git worktree add ../foo bar >out 2>&1, the output to stderr appears before the one to stdout.

    Eric replied to Peff saying he had considered emitting the ‘Preparing’ line on stderr instead of stdout, as Peff suggests, but he thought that it’s not documented and not very consistent that this kind of output from Git should go to stderr, and also that it could be a regression if people relied on that. He suggested adding a fflush(stdout) to git-worktree’s code and “live with that localized ugliness”.

    Peff agreed that Git has not been very consistent, but he said that more careful reviews and “laying out guidelines could help”. He also pointed to a previous discussion from 10 years ago where he had “laid out his mental model” about this topic.

    He also noticed that the ‘Preparing’ line was marked for translation, so “not reliably machine-readable anyway”. He also pointed to a previous commit that moved some git clone output from stdout to stderr for similar reasons.

    Eric then agreed with Peff about sending a different patch to move the ‘Preparing’ line output to stderr and another patch to improve documentation about this topic. Eric also noticed that this output had been changed significantly 3 years ago without any complaints.

    He then sent a patch to improve our documentation about this. A second version of this patch was eventually merged to the master branch after Eric took into account some reviews by Fabian Stelzer, Junio, Peff and Philip Oakley to improve some wordings.

    Ævar and Junio discussed a bit further the “you shouldn’t write anything that isn’t an error” view of the world, and Ævar cited the “chronic” utility.

    Eric also sent a small patch series that moved the ‘Preparing’ line output to stderr and fixed a minor problem in the git worktree documentation he noticed along the way.

    This patch series started a small inconclusive discussion between Ævar, Eric, Peff and Junio about automating the synopsys and maybe other parts of the documentation from the code or other ways to avoid duplication and mismatches.

    The patch series was eventually merged as is to the master branch though.

Developer Spotlight: Randall S. Becker

  • Who are you and what do you do?

    I am Randall S. Becker, president of Nexbridge Inc. I have been a software developer and architect for many decades. Aside from the obvious SCM domain knowledge, my interests are around data structures, performance, computability, and languages. About 10 years ago, I joined the ITUGLIB Technical Committee, which is an Open-Source group that maintains code for the HPE Nonstop community - the platform was originally called Tandem Computers Inc.

  • What would you name your most important contribution to Git?

    I have been maintaining the code associated with the HPE NonStop platform for the past six years and was key to its successful port to both the x86 and ia64 variants of the platform. In addition, I keep an eye out for changes that may put the port at risk and run the CI/CD environment that builds and tests Git on the platform.

  • What are you doing on the Git project these days, and why?

    I am currently working on the .git/config includeIf function for worktrees, planning a threaded version of the port, which is challenging considering the nature of the platform and community. We have to maintain compatibility with some old versions of the operating systems that lack some more modern capabilities. The platform is an MPP architecture without kernel level threads (yet), and the port to POSIX threads is very messy with the operating system wrappers we have to use.

  • If you could get a team of expert developers to work full time on something in Git for a full year, what would it be?

    There are really three areas where I would want to work. The first, most important, is improving multi-level signing capabilities in Git to support the software supply chain. I could leave it at that, but the full set of requirements in various countries are not yet fully fleshed out. Another two, purely to support the NonStop community is converting the code written in Go (Git LFS) into C and making it part of the standard product. The other is migrating the interpretive code to a C99-standard code base.

  • If you could remove something from Git without worrying about backwards compatibility, what would it be?

    I would move directly to SHA-384 or SHA-512 and toss both SHA-1 and SHA-256 as soon as possible. The same applies to any signing capabilities to support 8K or higher key sizes in defense against future hacking using the capabilities quantum computers.

  • What is your favorite Git-related tool/library, outside of Git itself?

    This is a bit of self-promotion for my company, and I apologise for that. We build façade-style interface facilities that allow legacy platforms, including HPE NonStop and IBM’s TSO/ISPF environments to have full Git experiences despite the native file systems not supporting POSIX-like hierarchies. These are Git clients that map file system attributes and structures to and from what Git can understand. Our NonStop product was recently added to the HPE price book. These products allow older codebases to share in the benefits of real DevOps capabilities without having to rely on proprietary knowledge and processes. I am the chief architect of those products.

  • Do you happen to have any memorable experience with respect to contributing to the Git project? If yes, could you share it with us?

    I think the most satisfying experience was the few months it took to contribute all the code associated with the NonStop port. It was a huge pain to maintain the separate fork even with Git’s awesome merge capabilities. Being allowed to be lazy is a dream of many developers and cutting down the time and effort spent on each release to a simple push of the Jenkins “Build Now” button frees up a lot of time.

  • What is your advice for people who want to start Git development? Where and how should they start?

    Learn about Merkle Trees and general data structures.

    I am still learning when it comes to general functional contributions. Watching how others contribute is really crucial if you have any hope of your contribution being accepted.

  • If there’s one tip you would like to share with other Git developers, what would it be?

    For every change you make, think about the security implications. Think about what a hacker might do to compromise Git or an organisation using Git before you move forward, no matter how good an idea might seem. The last thing you want is to have your contribution show up as a Critical Vulnerability Exposure on the NIST database.


Other News


Light reading

Git tools and sites

  • BBChop is a tool in Python by Ealdwulf Wuffinga implementing a bisection algorithm which works on intermittent bugs (experimental code). BBChop is based on Bayesian Search Theory.
  • Soft Serve is a self-hostable Git server for the command line, written in Go. It is configurable with Git, you can create repos on demand with git push, and you can browse repos with an SSH-accessible TUI.
  • GitLive is a proprietary extension with a free tier for Visual Studio Code, JetBrains IDEs, and Android Studio, providing real-time collaborative support, giving insight about what other developers in the team are working on. It supports GitHub, Bitbucket, GitLab (including self-hosted) and Azure DevOps repository hosting services.
    GitLive was mentioned as VS Code extension in Git Rev News Edition #77.


This edition of Git Rev News was curated by Christian Couder <>, Jakub Narębski <>, Markus Jansen <> and Kaartic Sivaraam <> with help from Randall S. Becker.